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There is A/C and heat in the office.  There is a small kitchen area.  2 bathrooms.  There is also a sink in the loft.  One of the bathrooms has a shower.  There is no A/C/ heating unit in the actual warehouse area.  But the current tenant says he was using a kerosene heater.  We may be able to even negotiate this issue.  Another con is a lack of insulation which could offset the savings in rent, but we can get a history of utility bills to assess that.  
 
There is A/C and heat in the office.  There is a small kitchen area.  2 bathrooms.  There is also a sink in the loft.  One of the bathrooms has a shower.  There is no A/C/ heating unit in the actual warehouse area.  But the current tenant says he was using a kerosene heater.  We may be able to even negotiate this issue.  Another con is a lack of insulation which could offset the savings in rent, but we can get a history of utility bills to assess that.  
  
An estimate on the operating costs of the shop; assuming only the office, kitchen and lobby are heated and cooled (total of ~479 sqft), and at 0.5 cents/BTU/month and 24 BTUs to heat/cool 1 sqft, makes for $57.48/mo.  Given the warehouse is uninsulated and will be cooled by a vent fan and spot heated by personal space heaters, we will be looking at 1500 watts per person.
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An estimate on the operating costs of the shop; assuming only the office, kitchen and lobby are heated and cooled (total of ~479 sqft), and at 0.5 cents/BTU/month and 24 BTUs to heat/cool 1 sqft, makes for $57.48/mo.  Given the warehouse is uninsulated and will be cooled by a vent fan (assumed to be 1000 watts for a 4' diam wall fan given a 2' fan is approximately 200 Watts) or spot heated by personal space heaters (~1500 watts per person, assuming 3 people inside the garage in the winter) for 32 hours out of the week.  We are looking at the most a ~$25/mo heating cost in the winter in the garage area.  Add to that the baseline cost per month of the 203 Brown Street shop; with no heating and cooling, lights, gear and water only, ~$200/mo, the total operating cost of the 5Pts Shop is ~$285/mo.
  
 
Tomorrow afternoon (Tuesday, 4/19/11) we will be meeting at the current shop, at 6:30 pm, to take a field trip to the  [http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=schiffmann+and+stevens+&aq=&sll=34.744998,-86.579175&sspn=0.007352,0.013937&gl=us&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Stevens+Ave+NE+%26+Schiffman+St+NE,+Huntsville,+Madison,+Alabama+35801&ll=34.745015,-86.579175&spn=0.007317,0.013937&t=h&z=17 newly proposed shop] (yellowish warehouse on the corner). Afterwards there will be a vote. I want to personally encourage everyone to come out and see the new place, as I feel the pictures don't really do it justice.
 
Tomorrow afternoon (Tuesday, 4/19/11) we will be meeting at the current shop, at 6:30 pm, to take a field trip to the  [http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=schiffmann+and+stevens+&aq=&sll=34.744998,-86.579175&sspn=0.007352,0.013937&gl=us&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Stevens+Ave+NE+%26+Schiffman+St+NE,+Huntsville,+Madison,+Alabama+35801&ll=34.745015,-86.579175&spn=0.007317,0.013937&t=h&z=17 newly proposed shop] (yellowish warehouse on the corner). Afterwards there will be a vote. I want to personally encourage everyone to come out and see the new place, as I feel the pictures don't really do it justice.

Revision as of 17:14, 19 April 2011

From various notes on the 5Pts Shop:

The 5pts shop including the loft is 4012 sqft (costing $850/mo). 1st Floor is 2660 sqft, Loft is 1352 sqft. It is larger than our current shop. It could eat our shop and still have room.

There is A/C and heat in the office. There is a small kitchen area. 2 bathrooms. There is also a sink in the loft. One of the bathrooms has a shower. There is no A/C/ heating unit in the actual warehouse area. But the current tenant says he was using a kerosene heater. We may be able to even negotiate this issue. Another con is a lack of insulation which could offset the savings in rent, but we can get a history of utility bills to assess that.

An estimate on the operating costs of the shop; assuming only the office, kitchen and lobby are heated and cooled (total of ~479 sqft), and at 0.5 cents/BTU/month and 24 BTUs to heat/cool 1 sqft, makes for $57.48/mo. Given the warehouse is uninsulated and will be cooled by a vent fan (assumed to be 1000 watts for a 4' diam wall fan given a 2' fan is approximately 200 Watts) or spot heated by personal space heaters (~1500 watts per person, assuming 3 people inside the garage in the winter) for 32 hours out of the week. We are looking at the most a ~$25/mo heating cost in the winter in the garage area. Add to that the baseline cost per month of the 203 Brown Street shop; with no heating and cooling, lights, gear and water only, ~$200/mo, the total operating cost of the 5Pts Shop is ~$285/mo.

Tomorrow afternoon (Tuesday, 4/19/11) we will be meeting at the current shop, at 6:30 pm, to take a field trip to the newly proposed shop (yellowish warehouse on the corner). Afterwards there will be a vote. I want to personally encourage everyone to come out and see the new place, as I feel the pictures don't really do it justice.

This is something that has to happen rather quickly. There is a meeting Wednesday afternoon 4/20/11 with our current landlord and we need to know how people feel. There will also be a short discussion after the vote, if this passes, to determine if there is any kind of sweet-spot-deal to stay where we are. That is, if the current landlord wants to negotiate much lower than what we are paying now.

Previously did a field trip on 4/9. General assessment was that there would be work required to repair the driveway, loft structure and general cleanup. But otherwise, the bigger space and lower cost was a plus.


Directions to 5 Points Workshop:

  • From 565 (going East or West) exit to Oakwood Avenue.
  • Turn South to Andrew Jackson Way (intersects Oakwood immediately East of intersection of 565 and Oakwood).
  • Turn West to Stevens Ave.
  • Arrive at intersection of Schiffmann and Stevens.

Photographs of Shop: