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'''THIS REFERENCES A BROWN ST. FACILITY ISSUE AND IS NO LONGER APPLICABLE.'''
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How to turn on heater:
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= Potential Alternatives =
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* https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B003TSFY2O/ref=twister_B00NEG7GF4?_encoding=UTF8&th=1
  
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See that '''light switch on the RIGHT of the heater'''?  Leave that swich the hell alone.  That's the switch that lets the heater turn on at all.
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= Dayton Heaters =
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If the fan on the heater won't turn on, you know, maybe fiddle with this switch.  What are you doing?
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Didn't I just tell you not to touch that switch?
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'''On the LEFT of the heater there's a gas line with a red handled valve.'''  that needs to be running in the same direction as the gas line it's attached
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==Overview==
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to to let the spice flow.  The spice must flow for the heater to work.  Paul Atreides says so.
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Jeff and Daniel V. won two Dayton brand heaters in the LSINC liquidation auction.
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One heater is missing a part, the other looks complete.
  
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See that '''Thermostat?'''  No?  Look harder.  Yeah, that one.
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== Model and Parts Information ==
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Ok, that thermostat has a switch on it's left side.  '''The switch needs to be set to heat.'''
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* Dayton brand is sold exclusively through Grainger.  If we are going to ask for a donated conversion kit, Grainger is the company to ask.
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The thermostat probably needs to be set to some warm temperature as well.
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* Model Number:  3E134D  ( [https://www.grainger.com/product/DAYTON-Commercial-Infrared-Heater-3E134 Grainger Link, $800+ new] )
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* Serial Number: 5042490000000021
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* Made by Dayong Electric MFG. Co. , Niles, IL 60714
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* The Natural Gas (NG) spud appears to be metric M10 x 1.0
  
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Ok, now if the cover is off of the heater, which is probably will be cause the damn thing is finnicky,
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== Consumption Rates ==
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you're going to see the fan turn on.  And then after a bit a glow plug will light up nice and orange like.
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(Email from Preaux)
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And then FWOOOSH!  Yeah.  No, you didn't miss anything.  The damn thing just grumpy and doesn't like you.
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Sure, Kinsey will tell you that '''within three tries it'll usually light''', and you'll start getting warm and toasty-
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LET ME TELL YOU THAT MAN LIES.
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So right about now you're probably cold.  and pissed.  '''Go find yourself a long lighter. '''
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The average for natural gas is approx 1000 btu per cuft. its all about feed rated after that with a 1/2" pipe if you have a 50' run of gas pipe then you can get a flow capacity of 53.6 cuft/Hour. so you can get 53600 btu. that is a little more than 1/2 of the rated output.  
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If you're religious, say a little prayer, cause you're about to jab a lit object into something emitting natural gas.
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Sure, if you're mechanically inclined you probably know this is moderately safe. There's cut off valves, and not that much
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gas emitting during the ignition time, blah blah blah.  But if you're NOT mechanically inclined, this probably feels like
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a great a way to kill yourself as any.  Done praying?  Cool.  May the force be with you.
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Now the glow plug is going to light up something fierce again, and you're going to '''light your long lighter and put it in the
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If you have a 17' 1/2" pipe feeding it at 0.5 psi then you will get a 91.9cuft/hr feed rate and that will be close the the unit max output.
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far right gas emitter, in the open space.''' With any luck, it will light.  You may have do to this 1 bojillion times
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till you get it right. Or maybe you'll get it on the first try. Isn't it nice to be you?
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https://www.eia.gov/totalenergy/data/monthly/pdf/sec13_4.pdf
  
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Remember to turn the heater off when you leave. At the thermostat.
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http://apps.engineeringtoolbox.com/natural-gas-pipe-calculator-a_9.html
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If you lit this baby up, this baby is now you're responsibility.
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So '''if you leave and someone else is in the shop, ask them if they want to take responsibility for turning it off, or if they want you to turn it off
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before you leave.'''
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Don't forget that last step. People get real damn pissy if they have to drive down here just to turn off the heater. I did it once and Greg punched me in the face.
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TL:DR - 90 cuft per hour OF NATURAL GAS as that is the model you sent.  
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The propane unit is:
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https://www.grainger.com/product/DAYTON-Commercial-Infrared-Heater-3E462
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Now propane has a BTU of 2570 per cuft so that being said the max usage of that unit is roughly 35 cuft hr.
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a bbq tank is a 20lb tank that is filled 80% (head room is needed to build vapor) you get 8.66 cuft of vapor from 1 lb of liquid propane, so you have 16lbs in the tank (8.66 X 16 = 138.56 cuft) and that will give you 138.56 cuft of gas at a use rate of 35 cuft per hour get you just under 4 hrs of full heat per bbq tank.
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'''TL:DR 4hrs of max heat per bbq tank.'''
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That is at full blast!
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Is that what you wanted?
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== In Progress ==
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* Check and see if Gas Plumbers can inspect our potential DIY job and hook it up from the street
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** <s> Jeff has called A & H Plumbing at (256) 536-4426 and is awaiting a call back --[[User:Omegix|Omegix]] ([[User talk:Omegix|talk]]) 09:30, 23 May 2016 (CDT) </s> They don't offer the services we need
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** Jeff has emailed [http://rossair-hvac.com/ Rossair Heating and Cooling] and is awaiting a response --[[User:Omegix|Omegix]] ([[User talk:Omegix|talk]]) 11:38, 24 May 2016 (CDT)
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== To-Do ==
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# Store heaters on top of member storage
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# Get missing part to heater
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# Purchase propane conversion kit
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# Convert one heater to propane
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# Hang Converted propane heater
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# In May of 2016, explore option of running natural gas lines for the heaters.
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= Old Heater Pages =
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* [[Heater/BrownStreetHeater]]
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Latest revision as of 17:26, 8 November 2016

Creator:
Omegix
Status:
In Progress
Born On:
14:45, 23 February 2016 (CST)
Last Updated:
17:26, 08 November 2016 (CDT)

Potential Alternatives

Dayton Heaters

Overview

Jeff and Daniel V. won two Dayton brand heaters in the LSINC liquidation auction. One heater is missing a part, the other looks complete.

Model and Parts Information

  • Dayton brand is sold exclusively through Grainger. If we are going to ask for a donated conversion kit, Grainger is the company to ask.
  • Model Number: 3E134D ( Grainger Link, $800+ new )
  • Serial Number: 5042490000000021
  • Made by Dayong Electric MFG. Co. , Niles, IL 60714
  • The Natural Gas (NG) spud appears to be metric M10 x 1.0

Consumption Rates

(Email from Preaux)

The average for natural gas is approx 1000 btu per cuft. its all about feed rated after that with a 1/2" pipe if you have a 50' run of gas pipe then you can get a flow capacity of 53.6 cuft/Hour. so you can get 53600 btu. that is a little more than 1/2 of the rated output.

If you have a 17' 1/2" pipe feeding it at 0.5 psi then you will get a 91.9cuft/hr feed rate and that will be close the the unit max output.

https://www.eia.gov/totalenergy/data/monthly/pdf/sec13_4.pdf

http://apps.engineeringtoolbox.com/natural-gas-pipe-calculator-a_9.html

TL:DR - 90 cuft per hour OF NATURAL GAS as that is the model you sent.

The propane unit is:

https://www.grainger.com/product/DAYTON-Commercial-Infrared-Heater-3E462

Now propane has a BTU of 2570 per cuft so that being said the max usage of that unit is roughly 35 cuft hr.

a bbq tank is a 20lb tank that is filled 80% (head room is needed to build vapor) you get 8.66 cuft of vapor from 1 lb of liquid propane, so you have 16lbs in the tank (8.66 X 16 = 138.56 cuft) and that will give you 138.56 cuft of gas at a use rate of 35 cuft per hour get you just under 4 hrs of full heat per bbq tank.

TL:DR 4hrs of max heat per bbq tank.

That is at full blast!

Is that what you wanted?

In Progress

  • Check and see if Gas Plumbers can inspect our potential DIY job and hook it up from the street
    • Jeff has called A & H Plumbing at (256) 536-4426 and is awaiting a call back --Omegix (talk) 09:30, 23 May 2016 (CDT) They don't offer the services we need
    • Jeff has emailed Rossair Heating and Cooling and is awaiting a response --Omegix (talk) 11:38, 24 May 2016 (CDT)

To-Do

  1. Store heaters on top of member storage
  2. Get missing part to heater
  3. Purchase propane conversion kit
  4. Convert one heater to propane
  5. Hang Converted propane heater
  6. In May of 2016, explore option of running natural gas lines for the heaters.


Old Heater Pages

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